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Multilingual labels and aliases
[edit]Did we come to consensus that mul
labels render duplicates in individual languages redundant?
Looking at Leo XIV (Q6109517), I see people copying the mul
label and English aliases into many individual languages.
In particular, I do not believe that the prefix "Cardinal" is used in all of those languages; but more generally, is the duplication helpful?
Help:Label does not seem to say anything on the subject. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- In case of popes or monarch many languages translates name (and sometimes there are long disputes about), so in this case is better to have label for each language and
mul
as fallback. JAn Dudík (talk) 06:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I find it useful to have duplicates for individual languages when it comes to standardized country and language codes. I have very little time to enter, so I enter these codes intensively, say the last one for the bulgarian, but those changes are reverted. After discussion, I was told that this type of edit is harmful to Wikidata. Following the logic that mul is enough on this item it is necessary to delete the aliases for all languages since mul does not exist. I'm sure I'm not wrong since country and language codes are allowed to put in every language, so I plan to continue entering individual codes for each language regardless of my changes being reverted; however, those codes exist in some languages where they existed before my changes, so I wonder if it's justified to undo them as well, except for mul. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 09:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Why do you find it useful? Having to duplicate it for every language is useless. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I find it useful to have duplicates for individual languages when it comes to standardized country and language codes. I have very little time to enter, so I enter these codes intensively, say the last one for the bulgarian, but those changes are reverted. After discussion, I was told that this type of edit is harmful to Wikidata. Following the logic that mul is enough on this item it is necessary to delete the aliases for all languages since mul does not exist. I'm sure I'm not wrong since country and language codes are allowed to put in every language, so I plan to continue entering individual codes for each language regardless of my changes being reverted; however, those codes exist in some languages where they existed before my changes, so I wonder if it's justified to undo them as well, except for mul. Зорана Филиповић (talk) 09:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your comments, but I was asking for the current consensus, not arguments either way. And certainly not for declarations of intent to ignore consensus (if such exists), which should result in escalating blocks. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think most people still do not get what 'mul' is for. Let me remind everyone that:
- 'mul' label and aliases act as aliases for all languages. That's by design.
- Aliases are only for search, not presentation.
- It makes no difference if an item contains the same string once or a hundred times; it is searchable by that string in either case. Hence, we needn't duplicate 'mul'.
- Lack of aliases does not make an item incomplete in that language. Label and description do. Perhaps some users, when they see the column empty, feel there should always be something. This is unjustified.
- 'mul' was introduced to avoid duplication and reduce storage. While the redundancy introduced by these 346 edits is mostly harmless, each edit saves a new copy of the item in the database. In this case, it's over 50 MB of useless data (noice!). Note that the consequence of removing duplicate labels/aliases is the same. Simply let it be and leave for robots.
- 'mul' is not "put Latin first". It's a fallback. Since Wikidata's inception, everything has fallen back to English, which uses Latin. Now everything falls back to 'mul' or English. If you don't want to fall back, fix it by inserting the correct value in your language.
- --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that the editor (an admin!) who keeps reverting me at Leo XIV (Q6109517) to remove the mul label has a different view of what it is for... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing read carefully Matěj's last sentence and review your editions: you are adding the mul label according to the English name (and imposing this name to different languages) and removing the English label... Douglas Adams has the same label in all (Latin) languages, but the pope is not the same case. See mul label at Pope Francis (Q450675): empty; because each language uses a different name. PS. Use the ping (to mention me in a veiled way) and explain this absolutely rude. Madamebiblio (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- That last sentence is "If you don't want to fall back, fix it by inserting the correct value in your language." And yet you are attempting what you see as a "fix" for the fall back by removing the mul label rather than inserting the correct value in your language - directly in contradiction of the very sentence you now tell me to "read carefully", and once again telling me to read something while failing to appreciate that I have already done so. That is what is "absolutely rude". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:17, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- With "what 'mul' is for" I was talking mostly about its purpose. People are still figuring out what the most suitable fallback is, esp. for people. Still, nothing is an option, too.
- For the pope, I think the religious name in Latin (language), which is the same for English, is a good fallback. I wouldn't remove the English label, as it can create confusion (and we earn nothing by removing one label).
- Lastly, it would be really nice if we didn't have to read "wtf's" and claims about "shitty attitude" from established users. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 07:52, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing read carefully Matěj's last sentence and review your editions: you are adding the mul label according to the English name (and imposing this name to different languages) and removing the English label... Douglas Adams has the same label in all (Latin) languages, but the pope is not the same case. See mul label at Pope Francis (Q450675): empty; because each language uses a different name. PS. Use the ping (to mention me in a veiled way) and explain this absolutely rude. Madamebiblio (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- It appears that the editor (an admin!) who keeps reverting me at Leo XIV (Q6109517) to remove the mul label has a different view of what it is for... Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:15, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Many language versions for image property
[edit]Many Wikidata items have images set, for most an image could be useful, for most that have just one image set that contains text it is in English, and many items have multiple media files for various languages.
Is there an easy way to add many language versions of an image to a Wikidata item at once along with the language qualifier for each? For example, see trachea (Q175449) and c:File:Illu conducting passages.svg (scroll down to other versions). Note that for example infoboxes can and do show the image depending on the language qualifier on some project(s). Prototyperspective (talk) 00:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- You can do this with QuickStatements Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that's true and if it was it would make it even more laborious. How would you get the other language versions and the corresponding language for QS for a start? Prototyperspective (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- You may not think it is true, but I know that it is: [1]. Also not laborious. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood the question and/or haven't looked at the Commons file. There are 32 versions of that image. I only added one of these and a qualifier. In your edit you added 2 of these along with their qualifiers and probably entered everything manually. Prototyperspective (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I entered nothing manually, and I answered the question you asked. Two additions are sufficient to demonstrate that the tool can do the job. I'm done with your shitty attitude. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:41, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm done with people here not addressing the actual question. I don't have a shitty attitude an am polite, which you btw now aren't. Now for other comments – please address the actual subject. If you use QS for example to do this, Is there an easy way to add many language versions of an image to a Wikidata item at once along with the language qualifier for each? is a question about how it can be done. Prototyperspective (talk) 11:17, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I entered nothing manually, and I answered the question you asked. Two additions are sufficient to demonstrate that the tool can do the job. I'm done with your shitty attitude. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:41, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think you misunderstood the question and/or haven't looked at the Commons file. There are 32 versions of that image. I only added one of these and a qualifier. In your edit you added 2 of these along with their qualifiers and probably entered everything manually. Prototyperspective (talk) 22:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- You may not think it is true, but I know that it is: [1]. Also not laborious. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think that's true and if it was it would make it even more laborious. How would you get the other language versions and the corresponding language for QS for a start? Prototyperspective (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
Sort by sitelinks
[edit]Hello, as I'm not very familiar with the inner workings of Wikidata, I was simply wondering if it's possible to sort the articles in the "Search results" page in descending order of "sitelinks"? I assume there's a dedicated parameter in the advanced search or a specific tool in the preferences. If that's not the case, is there any plan to implement such an option in the future? Ellicrum (bablute [...]) 10:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Looking at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:WikibaseCirrusSearch I'm not sure there is a fancy way to do this :( ·addshore· talk to me! 21:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- This is phab:T236992.--GZWDer (talk) 13:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank's for your initial responses. If I understand correctly, this is something that is in the pipeline, which has been discussed for a few years but isn't yet applicable in the "Search results". I don't know what the role of this "Phabricator" tool is (not to mention that my English is quite limited). --Ellicrum (bablute [...]) 17:44, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- This is phab:T236992.--GZWDer (talk) 13:59, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Account page in multiple languages
[edit]Can someone help me to merge my account page on other languages? Marco Mitrovich (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Which account page do you mean? ·addshore· talk to me! 20:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- For example I want to merge this my account pages hr:Suradnik:Marco Mitrovich and mk:Корисник:Marco Mitrovich. Marco Mitrovich (talk) 05:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, so I believe you want to read the page I link to below.
- TLDR is that you need to create the 1 page you want on meta.wikimedia.org, and then have the other pages on the sites deleted.
- The meta.wikimedia.org page then will act as your global user page on all sites!
- If you ever want to have a more specific page then for one project, you need to create that page on that project. ·addshore· talk to me! 08:32, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- What is TLDR?
- I want to connect my local user pages like articles. Marco Mitrovich (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TL;DR
- For linking between them, I assume you mean in the side bar?
- If so take a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki
- I believe adding links such as [[mk:Корисник:Marco Mitrovich]] [[hr:Suradnik:Marco Mitrovich]] on the opposite pages might work
- ·addshore· talk to me! 18:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- For example I want to merge this my account pages hr:Suradnik:Marco Mitrovich and mk:Корисник:Marco Mitrovich. Marco Mitrovich (talk) 05:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Is point 1 at the top of meta:Global user pages of help? ·addshore· talk to me! 20:58, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Propose Wikidata:IP block exemption as official policy
[edit]Hi, we have Wikidata:IP block exemption but it is in proposed stage in 9 years. I may propose IP block exemption as official policy so I start this discussion here to collect comments.--S8321414 (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- @S8321414: I don't understand this policy; I think it is de facto the official policy here, but I don't think it should be. What I don't understand is why hard blocks are ever a good idea; if even one logged in user is exempt then all logged in accounts should be exempted automatically, or at least all autopatrolled accounts. Of course the new mw:Temporary_accounts should be blocked whenever an IP range is blocked; or maybe blocking for those should follow new mechanisms? Anyway I think this specific policy is not well justified and probably obsolete. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- Well, we still have Requests for IP block exemption section in WD:RFOR for now. Maybe Wikidata:IP block exemption needs to be updated when temporary accounts enabled, but still, we have this user rights group and need a certain policy for granting these rights.--S8321414 (talk) 13:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #679
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week leading up to 2025-05-12. Missed the previous one? See issue #678.
Translations are available
Events
- Upcoming:
- Kaxabu Wikidata Workshop May 17 at Puli DOC, Nantou
- Seediq Wikidata Lexeme Workshop May 18 at Puli DOC, Nantou
- Past: Wikimedia Hackathon happened on May 4. Check out the closing showcase that included some Wikidata-related projects: Etherpad (Hackaton 2025)
Press, articles, blog posts, videos
- Blogs
- GLAM and Wikidata: The "GLAMorous Wikidata" Campaign: In March 2025, Wikimedia Serbia launched a local thematic campaign called GLAMurous Wikidata, focused on improving data about cultural and heritage institutions on Wikidata.
- Project "Open Topstukken" ("Open Collection Highlights") - Maastricht University and Radboud University: The "Open Topstukken" project is a collaboration between Maastricht University and Radboud University to digitize and publish rare books and manuscripts, with metadata from their Omeka S systems automatically transferred to Wikidata by Wikidata specialists.
- Wikidata and Research: The programme for the “Wikidata and Research” conference is now available online. Scheduled for 5–6 June 2025 at the University of Florence, this event is convened by a volunteer Scientific Committee in collaboration with Wikimedia Italia and the University of Florence.
- Papers
- Capacitating Librarians with Wikidata Literacy for Managing Wikipedia Information Resources: Implications to Libraries By Oyighan et. al., (2025)
- Social Biases in Knowledge Representations of Wikidata separates Global North from Global South By Das et. al., (2025)
- Automatic Curriculum Cohesion Analysis Based on Knowledge Graphs By Gacek & Adrian (2025).
- Videos
Tool of the week
- Wdactle game -- is a Wikidata version of Redactle! It's a game where you are shown a Wikidata Item with all labels and words redacted and have to figure out what it is. Guessing a word reveals all the places where it is used. Built by Luca Werkmeister during the Wikimedia Hackathon 2025.
Other Noteworthy Stuff
- ⚠️ Wikidata Query Service graph split: As you know Wikidata Query Service was no longer able to handle the complete set of data Wikidata has. To address this the graph in Wikidata Query Service has now been split into a main graph (that continues to be at query.wikidata.org) and a scholarly graph (that is at query-scholarly.wikidata.org). For more details please see Wikidata:SPARQL query service/WDQS graph split.
- Join the Wikidata:Impact stories global campiagn. We're celebrating the amazing Wikidata community - editors, developers, librarians, and creators - and inviting you to share how Wikidata is used. Your story can inspire others and grow the community. Submit yours or nominate a cool project by June 6.
Newest properties and property proposals to review
- Newest General datatypes:
- third-gender population (number of third-gender people inhabiting the place)
- Newest External identifiers: Encyclopedia of the Serbian National Theatre ID, vlaamsekunstcollectie.be ID, Patrimonio Galego ID, Substack handle, Sport Express football match ID, R-Sport match ID
- New General datatypes property proposals to review:
- related video (less fitting video, used only because a better alternative is not available. If an appropriate video of the item is available, use P10 instead. Value should not be a generic placeholder.)
- cosplay of (character(s) that are cosplayed in this image or video)
- New External identifier property proposals to review: RFI station ID (timetables), registration number of japanese invoice system, Jesuit Online Necrology ID, Geographicus-cartographer, Harper's tag, Database of Czech Librarians ID, Open Location Code, CABR-identifier, Onsland-identifier, National Library of Spain Alma ID (BNE v2.0), PC98 Images game ID, Stadtwiki Meißen ID, Rhein-Neckar-Wiki-ID
You can comment on all open property proposals!
Did you know?
- Query examples:
- Showcase Items: Soir d'été sur la plage de Skagen – l'artiste et sa femme (Q18386245) - painting by Peder Severin Krøyer from 1899
- Showcase Lexemes: Projektion (L494436) - German noun (pro-yek-tsi̯oːn) that can mean "projection", "image display", or "defence mechanism in Psychoanalysis"
Development
- mul language code: We are fixing an issue where Items can't be found by their mul language label or alias (phab:T392058)
- Wikibase REST API: We are working on phrase matching for the simple search (phab:T389011)
- Dark mode: We fixed a color contrast bug with the entity selector when making new statements (phab:T393641)
- Ontology: We’re working on an updated, more complete version of the wikibase.owl ontology file (phab:T371752)
You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.
Weekly Tasks
- Add labels, in your own language(s), for the new properties listed above.
- Contribute to the showcase Item and Lexeme above.
- Govdirectory weekly focus country: Italy
- Summarize your WikiProject's ongoing activities in one or two sentences.
- Help translate or proofread the interface and documentation pages, in your own language!
- Help merge identical items across Wikimedia projects.
- Help write the next summary!
workflow or tool to create or update scholarly article from DOI
[edit]I start with saying I hope this is the right place to ask question like this and maybe not Wikidata talk:Tools or Help:Contents, I am not yet familiar with wikidata discussions.
I was searching for a documented workflow or tool to create/update Items of scholarly articles starting from their primary DOI string. My main motivations for such tools are very well aligned with and described by the Shared Citations proposal (which current status is yet unclear to me) .
I summarize here my findings:
- Wikidata:WikiCite and as starting points for documentation and resources
- Bot request discussion Wikidata:Bot requests/Archive/2021/02#request to import DOI and ISBN as items when present in any Wikipedia article (2021-02-11) and the proposed tool which was supposed to as far as parsing wikimedia updates and extract DOI-based references and automatically add the relative item to Wikidata. This proposal and the relative bot seem abandoned and not in use at the moment.
- User:Research Bot which assume it cannot be used by anyone and of which I was not easily able to find the source code.
- fatameh Q116142049 which use wikidataintegrator to commit the changes but it seems it supports only PubMedIDs and doesn't seem to be actively maintained.
- BHL to Wikidata which is a web app where anyone can insert a list of DOI and receive a QuickStatements commands file which can be used to create the items for requested DOIs through the quickstatements interface.
The last tool listed is the one which gets closer to what I was imagining but it still lacks some features which I think would be good to have. The first would be to check if an article with the same DOI or with matching title already exists in Wikidata and in that case compare the current information with the one fetched from reliable bibliography sources (i.e. crossref) and propose eventual update/completion. I am asking to explore what already exists before considering creating something new, I am also interested to know if somebody else would find such tool useful and whether lowering the effort of importing citation data is actually desirable. Ttmms (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Ttmms: I think the "Shared Citations" proposal has been in hiatus for the last few years due to the strain scholarly items were putting on Wikidata infrastructure. However that may now be relieved (somewhat?) by the split that was just implemented in the graph interface, and I think we can be at least somewhat more relaxed about adding these items again. In addition to the tools you mention there is (or was) also Wikidata:SourceMD; I wouldn't be surprised if there are others. In addition to the query service (RDF size) strain, there is also some concern about the number of edits in Wikidata so if items can be added with a single edit rather than a series of possibly many QuickStatements commands that would be better also. I think in general a new tool for this (or fixing an existing one) would be useful and desirable, at least in my opinion. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:41, 12 May 2025 (UTC)
Odd error with entering a Youtube channel address
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Working on Q134449452, and got a weird error associated with it (image attached to the right). I think this means something's broken in the backend, perhaps? - The Bushranger (talk) 00:29, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- That message is a little unclear, but what it's telling you is that "FirstBaptistChurchMonticello" is not a channel id, but you need to find something like "UCEE6uFMa4hhDQhnn3VU-zZw", which you can find if you look in the source of https://www.youtube.com/c/FirstBaptistChurchMonticello . Bovlb (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have moved the long comment from syntax clarification (P2916) to constraint clarification (P6607) so hopefully that will fix the weird error message — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:32, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Are anti-vandalism processes working?
[edit]31.223.8.220 (talk • contribs • logs) has been vandalising Wikidata for more than a month. Some of them edits were reverted and some not. The talk page is empty and there were no blocks. I have just reverted all the remaining vandalism and blocked for a month. Is it fair to say that we are not catching these vandals early enough, and how can we improve the processes? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- We could definitely use more people patrolling here; watchlists (what I use to catch vandalism) are not really enough given Wikidata's size. Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard does show a steady stream of vandals being blocked and reverted, so we're not completely at their mercy. There are a number of tools to assist in this work at Wikidata:WikiProject Counter-Vandalism. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
- This question tends to emerge once or twice a year, and it's always a good opportunity to remind everyone about the state of the art (my ideas).
- Motivated by one of the discussions, I made my bot go regularly through recent changes and (re)generate weekly lists of suspected vandalism in statements (based on property constraints). It isn't perfect and doesn't find everything. For this specific case, the first edit it would have caught is [2], i.e., around 20th edit. So they just followed rather an obscure pattern of vandalism. (I just noticed a mistake in the code causing some edits being unreported in the last month, but it should be fixed by tomorrow.)
- Note that some of their edits were actually undone within 24 hours: [3][4][5]. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:56, 13 May 2025 (UTC)
Image change request
[edit]Please, is there someone that can kindly change File:Pape-Leon-XIV-Robert-Francis-Prevost-audience-medias-12-mai-2025.jpg with File:Pope Leo XIV 3 (3x4 cropped) (2).jpg on Leo XIV (Q6109517)? Many, many and many thanks in advance for all you can do!!! 151.95.8.206 09:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have made the swap, leaving them both on the image, but setting this new one to be preferred
Done.
- Personally, I agree and think it looks like a better image for the item.
- ·addshore· talk to me! 07:53, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
German films (sometimes labelled under Weimar Republik and Deutsches Kaiserreich)
[edit]I have notices that a considerable amount of German films from the silent era have been labelled under Weimar Republik [6] or Deutsches Kaiserreich [7] (in some cases both Weimar Republik and Deutschland, or Deutsches Kaiserreich and Deutschland [8]). I can understand such a divide when i comes to West Germany and East Germany since they where two separate nations 1949-1990, but not Weimar/Kaiserreich. I suggest that we use Deutschland for all films released between 1880 and 1949, and those after 1990. Ezzex (talk) 12:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, also see
- M2k~dewiki (talk) 12:12, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
Schema Feedback
[edit]Hello
I am looking for some peer-input to evaluate and test the schema I have been working with for digital arts festivals and hope you can help.
This schema was based on a simplified version of the film festival one {{Q220505}} and was created to document a record of early digital arts festivals in the UK where none previously existed - an area that I am currently researching.
I’d really appreciate any feedback – how it might be improved, what might be missing, what should be amended etc? - generally whether it works?
Any thoughts on the Label “digital arts festival” would be useful too (bearing in mind that some events would not necessarily define their event as a festival and/or might term it a new media arts festival/event, rather than a digital arts festival/event...
I have created various Labels - to make events more discover-able, no matter what (digital arts, new media...) is searched. Did I need to do this? JanetRJ (talk) 15:09, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
"test" entries on external datasets
[edit]Was playing around with the formatter URL for the fairly new CAMRA pub ID (P13516) and found what seems to be the lowest numerical identifier on their database : https://camra.org.uk/pubs/111161 , as is made apparent when opening the link. Would this identifier pass Wikidata:Notability by merit of it's being a "test item" similiar to Earth (Q85408509)?
If the answer is no, might a "minimum value of "111162" be warranted or a simple "not 111161", if such a constraint is possible?
(198960 is the highest identifier & seemingly newest pub on their dataset, if anyone is interested in the UK hospitality industry) Tæppa (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
6-string bass
[edit]I realize this is a Commons (SDC) question, but the expertise is here on Wikidata.
For commons:File:2022 Fremont Solstice Parade - 166 (52161825011).jpg, how should we model that this is a 6-string bass guitar, not the usual 4-string? Should we create a new subclass of bass guitar (Q46185) for 6-string basses, or can we somehow do this with qualifiers? - Jmabel (talk) 18:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)
- If a "6-string bass guitar" is a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references (can we find a paragraph or two in an encyclopedia?), then creating a new item is more than welcome. The key statements would be Qxxsubclass of (P279)bass guitar (Q46185) and Qxxxhas part(s) of the class (P2670)guitar string (Q1527700)
quantity (P1114)"6". --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2025 (UTC) - I think en:Extended-range_bass might touch on this slightly too, which is in turn extended-range bass (Q2887371), which is already a subclass of bass guitar (Q46185).
- So perhaps a 6-string bass guitar if created would instead be a subclass of this extended bass guitar? ·addshore· talk to me! 07:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed. And we already have Eight-string bass guitar (Q5348938). --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 09:02, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
- There's also an existing redirect at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_string_bass which could be added to the new item Piecesofuk (talk) 09:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
Is there anyone here who could do an edit here for me? I am not confident enough to do it myself without breaking the thousands of property talk pages on Wikidata Trade (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Please outline your request on the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
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Request for inclusion of Gurully – Educational platform for language proficiency test preparation
[edit]Hello Wikidata community,
I hope this message finds you well.
I would like to request your guidance or support in adding a reference or external identifier to Wikidata related to our educational platform, Gurully.
Gurully provides mock tests and preparation resources for widely taken English language exams like PTE, IELTS, CELPIP, and Duolingo English Test. Our platform is widely used by students preparing for international education.
We would be happy to contribute structured data (like platform type, services offered, test names, and user base) in alignment with Wikidata’s notability and sourcing standards. If there’s a structured way this platform could be referenced (such as an external identifier or entry), or if additional data needs to be provided, I would appreciate your input.
Looking forward to feedback or direction on how we may proceed appropriately. Thank you for your time and support.
Suchi.shah (talk) 06:59, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Suchi.shah: I think this qualifies as notable for Wikidata. I have created a basic item for Gurully - Gurully (Q134469604). Please feel welcome to add relevant factual statements as appropriate. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Suchi.shah (talk) 07:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
orphanage is an event and science, according to Wikidata ontology
[edit]See structure:
en: orphanage (residential institution devoted to the care of orphans) [9]
- en: residential child care community (type of orphanage) [10]
- en: child welfare (organized efforts by communities or organizations to improve the health and well-being of the child) [11]
- en: economic activity (human activity involving the transfer of goods or services) [12]
- en: social welfare (care for the social aspects of human health) [18]
- en: sociology (social science that studies human society and its development) [19]
- en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [20]
- en: humanities, arts and social sciences (group of humanities, arts and social sciences disciplines) [21]
- en: social sciences and humanities (area of scholarly activity) [24]
- en: science (systematic endeavor that builds and organizes knowledge, and the set of knowledge produced by this system) [25] this was unexpected here as it indicates a science !!!!!!!
- en: social science (academic disciplines concerned with society and the relationships between individuals in society) [20]
- en: sociology (social science that studies human society and its development) [19]
- en: child welfare (organized efforts by communities or organizations to improve the health and well-being of the child) [11]
Help with fixing is welcome!
Wikidata talk:WikiProject Ontology and User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases has list of few more Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:37, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- The subclass relation from residential child care community (Q9311671) to child welfare (Q66305973) doesn't make sense to me; I recommend removing that. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:58, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- I would agree, also the fact that "orphanage (residential institution devoted to the care of orphans)" [10] is a subclass of "residential child care community (type of orphanage)"[11] and latter has a description say "type of orphanage" seems a bit circular. Ttmms (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
Seems fixed in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q9311671&diff=prev&oldid=2348837467 ! Thanks! Though many more remain listed in User:Mateusz Konieczny/failing testcases if anyone is interested (I plan to share next one here in general project chat in 2026, let me know if I should do it earlier)
Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:19, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
New / Updated Help Pages - Parser Functions
[edit]Hello everyone, I am slowly going through the existing Help and other documentation pages on Wikidata to update, expand or adjust them for beginner or new to Wikidata audiences. I would appreciate your help and feedback!
Most recently, I made a dedicated page for Parser Functions. Please tell me what you think, help translate and suggest ways to improve the information presented there! Many thanks, - Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 09:10, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
- Intermediate level users will probably want to use
{{Wikidata}}
, maybe that should be linked to in a "See also" section at the end? Parser functions will struggle to represent anything other than best-values, which might not fill all the needs for use in infoboxes and such. The template documentation has an example section. Infrastruktur (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
Call for Candidates for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C)
[edit]The results of voting on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines and Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) Charter is available on Meta-wiki.
You may now submit your candidacy to serve on the U4C through 29 May 2025 at 12:00 UTC. Information about eligibility, process, and the timeline are on Meta-wiki. Voting on candidates will open on 1 June 2025 and run for two weeks, closing on 15 June 2025 at 12:00 UTC.
If you have any questions, you can ask on the discussion page for the election. -- in cooperation with the U4C,
Keegan (WMF) (talk) 22:06, 15 May 2025 (UTC)
Florida historical marker numbers in item Descriptions are largely wrong
[edit]Been poking at Florida historical marker pages recently, and realised that almost all of them (a) have a Description of "Florida Historic Marker F-[three digit number]", which corresponds to the marker the number was given in the official Florida state database of them, located on the bottom left corner of the sign, and (b) almost(?) all of them are wrong. Just for an example Q111453459 said it was "Florida Historic Marker F-764" when it was, in fact F-744. I've changed a few but every one I've changed has thrown the flag in the 'Florida Historical Marker List ID' Identifier as "should not be on multiple items". If anyone wants a project to go through and fix all of these descriptions and Identifiers, here you are! - The Bushranger (talk) 21:57, 16 May 2025 (UTC)
rapid changes
[edit]There are several hundred entries which all have the label "LETTERS AND ANSWERS", and no description. These all have "The BMJ" for the property "published in", and a variety of unique values for the property "publication date". I want to give each of these entries the description "scientific article - The BMJ, <publication date>".
Is there a way to achieve this quickly? If so, is there a reasonably simple tool with which to achieve this, or a specific noticeboard where I should ask for this to be done? DS (talk) 15:52, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Quick Statements, https://quickstatements.toolforge.org is the tool to use Vicarage (talk) 16:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have no idea how to formulate the requisite query. (Yes, I've read the help page. It makes several incorrect assumptions about my skill level and knowledge.) Could you either formulate it for me, or point me to a more suitable place for such a request? DS (talk) 17:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The output from a query such as https://w.wiki/EBJR can be massaged a little to give something QuickStatements could use. The problem here is that Help:Labels says two items can't have identical combinations of label and description. This is the case here as several letters were published on the same days. Infrastruktur (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- "LETTERS AND ANSWERS" applies to a section of the journal, for which an individual issue only has one publication date, so it should be fine. As for 'massaging the query' - thank you, but see earlier 'I have no idea'. I'm only barely aware of how to run a query; composing one is beyond me, as is polishing one. (I'll ask on Wikidata:Request a query.)DS (talk) 19:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. A lot of the publication dates in Wikidata are wrong e.g. LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94104248), LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103829) and LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103520). I just checked. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- How wonderful, a complication.
- "Scientific article published in The BMJ, issue ##", then? Because entries without descriptions get on my nerves. DS (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Started up a batch [26]. It should be done fairly soon. Infrastruktur (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Could you also take every entry that has the string "Letter to the editor" in its label, and a value of <X> in the "published in" field, and a value of <n> in the "issue" field, and no description, and give them a description of "Item in <X>, issue <n>" ?
- (They're not all scientific articles. Some of them aren't even scholarly articles. "Item" should cover it.) DS (talk) 23:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Started up a batch [26]. It should be done fairly soon. Infrastruktur (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. A lot of the publication dates in Wikidata are wrong e.g. LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94104248), LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103829) and LETTERS AND ANSWERS (Q94103520). I just checked. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- "LETTERS AND ANSWERS" applies to a section of the journal, for which an individual issue only has one publication date, so it should be fine. As for 'massaging the query' - thank you, but see earlier 'I have no idea'. I'm only barely aware of how to run a query; composing one is beyond me, as is polishing one. (I'll ask on Wikidata:Request a query.)DS (talk) 19:10, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- The output from a query such as https://w.wiki/EBJR can be massaged a little to give something QuickStatements could use. The problem here is that Help:Labels says two items can't have identical combinations of label and description. This is the case here as several letters were published on the same days. Infrastruktur (talk) 18:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
- I have no idea how to formulate the requisite query. (Yes, I've read the help page. It makes several incorrect assumptions about my skill level and knowledge.) Could you either formulate it for me, or point me to a more suitable place for such a request? DS (talk) 17:27, 17 May 2025 (UTC)
Support dark mode in entity page, or maybe redesign the entity page to something like from Wikimedia Commons?
[edit]see the title DinhHuy2010 (talk) 06:31, 18 May 2025 (UTC)
- Dark mode support is under development. See phab:T385039. Samoasambia ✎ 10:35, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
Secondary vs. tertiary education --> Wikidata infoboxes
[edit]What is best practice to differentiate between secondary and tertiary education in biographical entries? My question results from this edit on English Wikipedia which, presumably, was made to supress the infobox display of the subject's secondary school in the "alma_mater=" field (according to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes policy re: not secondary schools). Is there a different property we can use for "secondary education" or "high school" to resolve this issue? -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2025 (UTC)
PS: For ref., re: Alexis Georgacopoulos (Q119219305)
Hello everyone, there is an item Q42470 about the concept of "motto" as the motto of a city, country, institution and similar, with links to more than 100 versions of Wikipedia. There is also Q4942042, which has links to only two Wikipedias, pl:Dewiza in Polish and hu:Mottó (heraldika) in Hungarian. Speaking neither language and only using Google Translate, it seems to me that this should be merged with Q42470. There are other articles in Polish and Hungarian linked from Q42470: pl:Motto seems to correspond with another Wikidata item, Q1659140, which deals with the special concept of a motto at the beginning of a book. However, hu:Mottó seems right to me, with hu:Mottó (heraldika) dealing with the special case of a motto in a coat of arms. Are there any Wikidata users, especially those proficient in at least one of the languages in question, who could help to solve the puzzle? Thank you! --slg (talk) 12:59, 19 May 2025 (UTC)