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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Current DYK

"... that the developers of UTM needed to make a "slow edition" of their software to get it approved on the App Store?"

This strikes me as misleading as it implies that the version of the software needed to be slower in order to get approved, however the article itself says that the edition needed to be changed from just-in-time compilation to an interpreter due to restrictions on launching executable code. The emulator being slower was a side effect of that requirement. The citation says the requirement was "UTM SE must abide by App Store restrictions prohibiting apps that "install executable code.""

Apologies if this is not the correct location or tone for this discussion. --JacobOnline3 (talk) 17:23, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

The SE apparently stands for slow edition as it slows it down. I think it is misleading, but it's honestly tame by DYK standards. Secretlondon (talk) 18:28, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

agreed,  Pulled. if someone wants to reword the hook to avoid that implication, i'd be okay with it being restored. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:33, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

follow-up pings to @Helpful Raccoon, Sohom Datta, Rjjiii, and Gatoclass, although there's only six hours left on the run, so hopefully a new hook can get written before midnight UTC. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron Apologies, I sacrificed precision for "interestingness". How about: ...that the developers of UTM needed to make a new version of their software to get approved on the App Store, which they described as a "slow edition"? Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Or an alternative could just be: ...that the developers of UTM created a "slow edition" of their software to get approved on the App Store?

This removes the implication that the software was required to be slow. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:54, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

What SecretLondon said - the "misleading" element is trivial and in line with prevailing standards. Regardless, here's a suggested alt:

ALT1: ... that due to the App Store's restrictions on installing executable code, the makers of the UTM emulator had to develop a "slow edition" of their software for distribution on the platform? Gatoclass (talk) 19:22, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @JacobOnline3 and Theleekycauldron: - Gatoclass (talk) 19:27, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

maybe splitting the difference a bit, what about:

• ... that the developers of UTM had to develop what they called a "slow edition" of their software to meet the App Store's design requirements?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:18, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

Next DYK

• ... that in 1969 actor-manager Hazel Vincent Wallace became the first woman to build a theatre in Britain? Rowena Cade built the Minack Theatre in the 1920s. The Royal Shakespeare Theatre was built in 1932 by Elisabeth Scott. Fram (talk) 15:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

   Pulled by Amakuru :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  DYK should really try its best to stay away from firsts. SL93 (talk) 16:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, you'd think with the WT:DYK#Moratorium on "first" hooks? discussion so recent, everyone would be checking these more thoroughly right now. It just goes to show that the present process isn't working for this type of hook and something more is needed.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  Wow, yeah, User:Kusma might as well have been prophesying about this exact situation there when he said:

  In my view, when we consider "first" claims, we should only use sources that have studied the things that could prove the negative. To make up an example, the source for "Poughkeepsie resident Jane Dee was the first woman to pilot a zeppelin" should not be her obituary from the Poughkeepsie Evening News, but a book about all early pilots of zeppelins worldwide. Obituaries and newspapers (especially local ones) tend to repeat hearsay or omit important context (perhaps she was indeed the first woman to pilot a zeppelin in Ohio, but there are others preceding her in Russia and France).

  This claim is supported in the article by her obituary, an article specifically about this theater, and an article from the ever-reliable Daily Mirror that is paywalled but seems likely to only be an aside-level mention. In other words, exactly the kind of sources he advised extreme caution about, and indeed they all seem to have been parroting nonsense. Hopefully more can come of this...it's really a sitewide issue, but I agree that DYK reviewers in particular needs to be watching for this kind of thing like a hawk. -Elmer Clark (talk) 19:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  Interesting. I wasn't aware of the recent discussion, but Kusma's suggestion seems wise. When I double-checked the article, I saw the Times subheading in her obituary and concluded that was good enough - a highly reliable source clearly stating this as fact. But reliable sources do make errors, and this genre of fact seems structurally prone to errors. —Ganesha811 (talk) 19:15, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

  Yeah, it's perfectly understandable how this would happen under the current system. There actually was some additional discussion / scrutiny of this hook over this very issue, but without someone coming in and pointing out other earlier examples like what happened here, there wasn't much to do besides say "yep the sources seem reliable and do seem to say that." -Elmer Clark (talk) 20:25, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

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