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Category:Volleyball players from Nagasaki

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:04, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Also merge to Category:Sportspeople from Nagasaki Prefecture
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Categories with just one or two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 22:51, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of populated places in Nepal

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maxwell–Boltzmann statistics

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge for now. There's only two pages in here, one of which is a redirect SMasonGarrison 21:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fashion entrepreneurs

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:48, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, "entrepreneur" is a too subjective label for any individual businessperson. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Good catch! SMasonGarrison 21:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Early patriarchs of Alexandria

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Nominator's rationale: rename/merge, anachronistic and non-NPOV names. At least until 451 (and arguably until 536) there weren't separate popes of the Coptic Orthodox Church. I have not added the 5th-century category yet, pending the outcome of the discussion further below on this page. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Marcocapelle I'm not principally opposed to your nomination, but procedurally, I think we would need to change the article titles in the mainspace first. From Pope Anianus of Alexandria onwards, all article titles start with Pope ... of Alexandria. Catnames only follow the mainspace (WP:C2D). Fortunately for you (and me), the main articles are Patriarch of Alexandria and List of patriarchs of Alexandria, and the patent category is Category:Patriarchs of Alexandria, so a case for WP:TITLECON with "Patriarch" instead of "Pope" could be made. I'm not sure if there has been a community decision to name all early Alexandrian patriachs "Popes" (possibly for a good reason) or that one user did all this, but I'm sure we could find that out with a little digging. Cheers, NLeeuw (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
PS: From what I gather, the designation "Papa Abba" in Alexandria was more of an honorific like "His Holiness" than a title describing the office position. (One unsourced claim asserts that the word "pope" was not used in opposition to the bishop of Rome in the question of Papal primacy, although I very much doubt that.) After the 561 536 schism, English Wikipedia seems to reserve the word "pope" only for highest official of the Coptic Orthodox Church, while all other categories such as Latin, Greek Catholic and Greek Orthodox continue calling the office "Patriarch of Alexandria". I've got no principal objection against calling all office-holders prior to 561 536 "patriarchs", but it's probably a good idea to establish consensus on renaming the article titles first. NLeeuw (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Nederlandse Leeuw: I have zero experience in nominating a large group of articles for renaming, any chance you can help me? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle Sure! In this case, I think the most relevant WikiProject talk page might be the best place to do so, but let me check the guidelines on how to do this.
    First, I'd like to check whether there was ever a community decision for this naming format or not. If there wasn't, we could just manually rename them all one by one per WP:TITLECON + WP:BOLD, with no need for a discussion process. (Courtesy would have us set up a discussion anyway, just to make sure we're having consensus; but it's not strictly necessary if there hasn't been a naming consensus for this set of articles so far).
    There are also special gadgets for mass nominations, I think I already installed that. It's a bit late tonight, but maybe tomorrow? You can always ping me in case I forget. :) NLeeuw (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    PS: I think I found the cause of the problem already. MOS:PATRI contradicts MOS:POPES. All article titles about patriarchs such as patriarchs of Alexandria should start with "patriarch", but all article titles about Catholic or Coptic popes should start with "pope". The problem is that there are currently 4 different Christian denominations who all claim that their apostolic succession of the See of Alexandria starts with Saint Mark the Evangelist, so technically speaking, all articles about the guy of Alexandria before 561 536 should technically simultaneously start with "patriarch" AND "pope". That's impossible, of course. But using the title "Pope" implies that only the Coptic Orthodox Church has legitimacy, while using "Patriarch" implies that they do not, but the other 3 do. Given that 3 out of the 4 denominations use "patriarch", however, I think this is the least POV title we could use (too bad for the Copts). Plus, the main articles are still Patriarch of Alexandria and List of patriarchs of Alexandria. NLeeuw (talk) 21:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nederlandse Leeuw: Are you able to do the mass RM? See Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting multiple page moves for the instructions; you don't ever need to tag the pages (a bot does that). You only need to fill out the template :)
    @Marcocapelle: Are you alright with this being closed as withdrawn pending the RM? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Diplomats of the Habsburg Netherlands

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/rename/reparent. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:49, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge / rename and re-parent per actual content, all articles are about people active after 1556 in the Spanish Netherlands. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Towns by country

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Nominator's rationale: manually merge, "town" has a different meaning in every country, some countries do not even distinguish between towns and cities, therefore we have been in a long process to merge them to "populated places". This nomination is a tiny part of that process. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:08, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles and subcategories will already be in a Populated places by country subdivision category, therefore the proposal is to merge manually rather than automatically. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:22, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Redundant at lease for Sudan. FuzzyMagma (talk) 11:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongy and viciously oppose wholesale nomination, exactly because "town" has a different meaning in every country and because some cuontries officially distinguish between city and town, e.g., in Lithuania: miestas vs. miestelis or in Romania, municipiu vs. oraș. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should not cater ignorance of an average Englishman who does not care how these backwards indigenes and troglodytes call themselves. --Altenmann >talk 15:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.S. I am even mildly surprized: a village is also a "populated place" Why not throw them, into the same barrel? After all, some villages are larger than some towns. --Altenmann >talk 15:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.P.S. Regarding Category:Towns in Belarus, there is weird split against category:Cities in Belarus - there is no such distinction in Belarus (and in Wikipedia as well, see List of cities and towns in Belarus, and I made my own nomination in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 5#Category:Cities in Belarus. --Altenmann >talk 16:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • P.P.P.S. Concluding, there is indeed a mess with categorization of settlements, but it must be fixed on country-by-country basis, but I do not know, who even cares? --Altenmann >talk 16:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • At least one point I agree with: the distinction between villages and towns can be equally arbitrary as the distinction between cities and towns. But villages should better wait until towns have been sorted out. I also agree with the fact that towns can have a specific meaning in a country, but then it is often a matter of official status more than that it substantively means something. Besides grouping them together as Category:Towns by country does not make much sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:50, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • I looked into Category:Towns by country and see an example for good solution: category:Cities and towns in Norway. Therefore I invite country "stewards" to review your known countries whether they have legal distinction between town and city in whatever form or name and report the findings in the list above, and,
        1. if no distinction, then merge into "cities and towns in XXX" and clearly say in the "category statute" this
        2. if yes distinction, them leave 'as is' and clearly say in the "category statutes" that they not same and cross-link the two in the hatnote
        3. if unknown, then, well, tough luck.
      As a proud descendant of P-LC I will take care of Belarus (listed here), Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, and Romania (listed here). --Altenmann >talk 21:15, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Altenmann: what do you mean with legal distinction? For example. There may be a law that says that e.g. a minister, or the parliament, may decide to grant a village the status of town, while there is no law that specifies any legal advantages of being a town instead of a village. In that case I would argue that the distinction, while formally legal, is trivial in practice. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    • You known what? that's exactly what is done: a settlement may change its status by a legislative act. But this is never a trivial decision and not a trivial distinction, and what is more, it is not for a wikipedian to decide, whether this is trivial or not. --Altenmann >talk 04:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      • Of course I do not want Wikipedia to decide whether it is trivial. Whether town status provides additional legal benefits is something that can be established objectively. I expect that in most countries legal benefits are provided only to administrative subdivisions, not to populated places. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
        Maybe not benefits, but different official treatment certainly. --Altenmann >talk 08:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      Put is it then better to use “populated place” rather than focusing on whether it’s a village, town, city or a any type of settlement. FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:48, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Named on Saudi Arabia's list of most wanted suspected terrorists

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Individuals designated as suspected terrorists by the Saudi Arabian government. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:32, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is my first attempt at a rename; I'd love for a better suggestion. This category name is lacking a noun. FWIW, the page name is Saudi list of most-wanted suspected terrorists. SMasonGarrison 21:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
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Category:5th-century Patriarchs of Alexandria

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category, to either merge or turn into a subcat of the latter. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 13:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Not seeing an objection to the nomination (just a suggestion for further nominations). If you do object, please speak up!
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Category:Women's football in West Germany

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 21#Category:Women's football in West Germany

Category:1st-century texts in Latin

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: manually merge, isolated category, this is not useful for navigation. Manually merge because most articles are already in Category:1st-century inscriptions and Category:Latin inscriptions. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:34, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose: Why and how is this not "helpful for navigation"? This cross-category is defining/neutral/verifiable and precise and can therefore be kept. It currently contains 5 pages but can obviously contain more. -Mushy Yank. 18:58, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Children's books set in ancient history and Middle Ages

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:02, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly 1- or 2-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:00, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose: I find it helpful (how is it not helpful for navigation?) and I can't see why, when precise defining/neutral/verifiable categories exist, we should merge them into extremely broad ones covering centuries. It is not only unnecessary, it is detrimental to the project in my opinion. As for the number of articles contained (if that is relevant), one contains 6 pages, another 4 and a subcat!) and was a WP:BEFORE performed to check that those categories cannot contain more pages, anyway? -Mushy Yank. 18:52, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Festivals in North America by country and region

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:44, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The King of Queens episodes

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article and one subcategory. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:15, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Faerie Tale Theatre episodes

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article and one subcategory. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:12, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Red vs. Blue episodes

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:03, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one article and one subcategory. The article is already in the parent, but I am suggesting merge due to the subcategory. (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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