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Kiyoshi Umegaki

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Subject does not quite pass WP:SPORTCRIT and a cursory search did not yield anything useful. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:36, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Motorsport, and Japan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. I see some significant coverage from Auto Sport and Chunichi for his win last week. I urge nominator to do a complete search in Japanese before nominating (or leave the nominating of Japanese articles to those who can evaluate Japanese sources). DCsansei (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I surely I’m not Japanese neither do I speak the language; so, thank you so much for pointing to those sources. I checked them, and the machine translations I used were pretty competent in giving me an English version; they, I mean all the sources your mentioned, do not contribute to adding a substance of notability for the subject. Do you mind pointing me to what point in WP:NMOTORSPORT does Umegaki pass? I’d appreciate it. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NMOTORSPORT is a broad indicator of what's considered notable. It's not an exhaustive list and shall not be used as a disqualifier. WP:GNG matters. MSport1005 (talk) 08:10, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GNG is in fact not met here also. Do you remember what it says about independent reliable sources that covers the subject substantially? These three parameters need to be met for GNG to be satisfied, it isn’t the case here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you're unable to conduct a thorough WP:BEFORE search in Japanese, you're unable to make an early judgement on whether coverage exists. You've stated your case. Now please leave it to others. I'm waiting before casting a !vote for the same reason. MSport1005 (talk) 22:30, 13 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, leaning delete unless further evidence of notability emerges - Seems like a possible case of WP:ONEEVENT, but I'd need to see evidence of a more thorough Japanese-language WP:BEFORE search before committing to a delete vote. I do, however, find it highly implausible that a driver at this stage of their career would meet the WP:GNG. Neither Formula Four nor Formula Regional are particularly high profile categories (I would personally consider them to be the fifth and sixth tiers of single-seater racing) and drivers who compete in them are rarely notable. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. No indication that a WP:BEFORE search was conducted in Japanese or that the nominator is competent enough in Japanese to do so. What DCsansei said is correct, and I agree with the statement made before. Thfeeder (talk) 04:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thfeeder I’m sorry, but your !vote is baseless in terms of policy as it applies to notability, which is what I am questioning in the first place. You’re telling me I do not have competence in Japanese but you’re not bringing any source to justify your stance. If you are competent, please bring the sources and let us evaluate, that is what AfD is about, not to caste aspersions indirectly. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. May be WP:TOOSOON. Not really notable from the sources in the article. Not enough for a stand alone article. Ramos1990 (talk) 05:03, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per Ramos1990. Does not meet WP:GNG and at this early stage in their career, very unlikely a deep search in Japanese sources would yield anything. However the page is new, as is the career. If there is early success the sources could follow, so draftify or redirect are suitable WP:ATDs. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:24, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any more support for ATD?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Benison (Beni · talk) 02:49, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. If Japanese editors think they can find sufficient coverage, or believe it will appear in the near future, they can work on it in draft. JoelleJay (talk) 03:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I continue to believe the GNG threshold is met for this article so my !vote is unchanged, and I continue to object to deletion where the nominator has not shown that they've completed a competent native-language WP:BEFORE. That said, if a consensus against keep develops, I suggest considering a merge to 2025 F4 Japanese Championship as an ATD. DCsansei (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]