Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 1, 2018 21:56 UTC (Thu) by msnitzer (guest, #57232)
In reply to: Too many lords, not enough stewards by josh
Parent article: Too many lords, not enough stewards

yeah: NO. That isn't what I was doing. But nice try.

I'm using my Linux kernel maintainer experience to attempt to illustrate the kind of dynamic I've witnessed. People who cry foul when one hasn't occurred are "special". And a lot of this talk, thread and topic isn't rooted in anything real. Just a lot of people with hurt feelings talking in the abstract.

Framing the Linux kernel community as a caustic rat's nest of evil is one way to spin it. It just isn't reality.

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Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 1, 2018 23:51 UTC (Thu) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

You've charged into the comments section of an article about problems widely observed by other kernel developers and maintainers, in order to decry that any such problem exists, and try to yank the conversation onto the issues *you* want to talk about. In the process, you've denied the existence of the problem, denigrated the developers working on it, writing off developers as having "hurt feelings" and "talking in the abstract", and accusing the developers who *have* seen those problems of making them up and being snowflakes.

Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 2, 2018 0:40 UTC (Fri) by msnitzer (guest, #57232) [Link]

Not a fair summary. You clearly haven't cared to read all my posts in this thread (that yes, never seem to stop.. because LWN's comments section is like whack-a-mole to respond to once you've foolishly said something like "snowflake"). But if you can identify with Daniel's talk then you're probably perfectly fine with false narratives.

Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 2, 2018 3:14 UTC (Fri) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

> You clearly haven't cared to read all my posts in this thread

I have, in fact. They paint quite a clear picture.

> But if you can identify with Daniel's talk then you're probably perfectly fine with false narratives.

Hey, look, yet another example of exactly what I referred to in the comment you're replying to and attempting to deny.

Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 2, 2018 0:34 UTC (Fri) by nivedita76 (guest, #121790) [Link]

You yourself are sound exactly like "a lot of people with hurt feelings talking in the abstract". Do you really believe that developers crying foul when nothing has happened is a real problem that occurs frequently?

Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 2, 2018 1:22 UTC (Fri) by airlied (subscriber, #9104) [Link]

Have you got any public evidence of the anecdote you are using here?

Like we have plenty of public evidence of bad behaviour on the parts of maintainers (myself included I'm sure), but I'm interested in knowing how large the problem of developers crying fowl and escalating things on rejection using codes of conduct.

I've never experienced this in any of the project I've worked in as a maintainer, or as the top-level maintainer for the second largest subsystem in the kernel, so I'm surprised that it happens as frequently as you state.

Too many lords, not enough stewards

Posted Feb 2, 2018 1:48 UTC (Fri) by msnitzer (guest, #57232) [Link]

I do.. I'll reply off LWN though.

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